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They tried the mandaory mask in Ohio and it got a a lot of push back and now its a suggestion as it should be, I'm sure there will be a lot of push back in Illinois too. This all is be handled wrong. You isolate the sick not the healthy. Its never been done like this. Unless you are fitted for N95 mask its useless. Ask any doctor or nurse. If you don't wash your hands before putting it and taking it off it doesn't matter.



For those who think mask work watch this video. This is the number one way people get sick. Why do you think New York is the hot spot? Many people in one space touching everything others have and then touching their face.



https://www.sudbury.com/local-news/video-why-wash-our-hands-so-much-this-youtuber-shows-how-easily-germs-spread-2201876
I think the point of the mask is to protect others from the mist/spray that comes from you. We all could have it with no symptoms at all and spread it.

Yes the touching of the face is the way to get it or be near someone who coughs or sneezes. If they cough or sneeze into their mask it's better than nothing.
 

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Starting May 1st it's mandatory to wear a mask in Illinois

They have been mandatory here in PA for a couple of weeks now too, with the exception of people that have a medical reason that prevents them from wearing one. People who claim medical exemption do not have to prove it and are to be permitted in stores. That is why I mentioned it. You cannot confront someone just because they aren't doing something you think they should be doing...they may simply be unable to wear one.


I did my weekly shopping trip this past Saturday. There was one person in the store without a mask. They got some looks, but no one said anything. We just all maintained our 6ft distance and got in and out as quickly as possible.
 

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They have been mandatory here in PA for a couple of weeks now too, with the exception of people that have a medical reason that prevents them from wearing one. People who claim medical exemption do not have to prove it and are to be permitted in stores. That is why I mentioned it. You cannot confront someone just because they aren't doing something you think they should be doing...they may simply be unable to wear one.


I did my weekly shopping trip this past Saturday. There was one person in the store without a mask. They got some looks, but no one said anything. We just all maintained our 6ft distance and got in and out as quickly as possible.
Don't think I'd confront anyone. I have to wear a mask my whole shift at work.
 

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Don't think I'd confront anyone. I have to wear a mask my whole shift at work.

I think wearing a mask will become par for the course for the foreseeable future, at least until testing is readily accessible for everyone and a vaccine is developed. I have been WFH for almost 2 months now, and there is talk of requiring masks when the office building reopens. For anyone that cannot wear one, I think they should be permitted to continue WFH and not be required to go to the office. For the rest of us, we will have to stock up on masks since we will be there 5 days a week and you are supposed to wash them after every use.
 

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It is best to just see they are not wearing one and leave them alone. It is the store's job to decide if they should be in there without a mask, not the customer's.

I understand your point, I am sure there are people who have health issue that cannot wear masks....but luckily in small communities people tend to talk more to each other.


In general if you are afraid of government overreaching then try to cooperate with your community without needing authorities to enforce something.



the problem on depending too much on some form authority to enforce the right thing in times of disaster...you empower them later to do the wrong thing.
 

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I understand your point, I am sure there are people who have health issue that cannot wear masks....but luckily in small communities people tend to talk more to each other.


In general if you are afraid of government overreaching then try to cooperate with your community without needing authorities to enforce something.



the problem on depending too much on some form authority to enforce the right thing in times of disaster...you empower them later to do the wrong thing.

I live in a community of 13,000 people. Relatively "small" in this area. If you confront someone they will happily tell you where to go or what to do with yourself. I was an innocent bystander [literally, I was just standing there] in a confrontation in a local Walmart parking lot, and got threatened with a gun. People cannot be relied upon or expected to govern each other. That is why we have, and need, the authorities.


If the government is going to set forth guidelines and expect compliance, they should also be the ones responsible for enforcing compliance. I follow the rules, and do what is asked of me, which is my duty as a responsible citizen. If someone is blatantly disregarding the rules or outright breaking the law I go to someone who has the power and authority to deal with that person.


Not sure where the government overreach concern is coming from. I personally don't think there is any government overreach going on during this unprecedented time, and feel the government is doing everything empowered to them by the constitution in the name of safety and protection of citizens. There is a lot of banter that the government is violating the constitution with their various orders, but that simply isn't the case. The various governments have always had the powers they are currently exercising, they have just never had to use them before which is what is throwing people off.


If more people would just listen and do what they are being asked to do, this would all be over so much faster. The rule breakers are the ones causing this whole thing to stretch on.
 

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We started a "face covering required" rule here at work, but there is no such mandate here in public (that I know of) ... although when I grocery shop once per week I see about 30-40% of customers wearing one and every store employee wearing one.

And no way am I going to confront anyone about not wearing a mask! I have absolutely zero faith in people being sane in this country nowadays. A few years back I was coming out of my subdivision when I came upon a woman with either her kids or grandkids with her. There were no sidewalks, so they were walking in the street ... with their backs to the traffic. I slowed down, put down my window, and tried to nicely explain why that was unsafe, but I don't think I got 7 words out before this "woman" started beligerently pointing and yelling at me ... OMG !!! ... I just drove off.

Sometimes I wish I was born in my father's generation. I think the percentage of good and decent people has been declining steadily since then...
 

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That's why a lot of states didn't close liquor stores. There would have been more alcohol withdrawal patients than virus patients in the hospital. Family experience sadly on that front with several deaths from booze.
Drugs addicts are a easy fix compared to alcoholics.
None of them are what I would call an "easy fix" but it's pretty rare someone dies from opiate withdrawal, it's usually a secondary ( dehydration from vomiting/diarrhea). Alcohol and Benzo withdrawal is pretty bad, both can cause death.

Our census is down, many aren't coming to treatment because of COVID and, I hate to say it, stimulus checks.
 

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It's okay to ban the sale of alcohol, they are just looking out for your best interest. The Government is only doing things to keep you safe and healthy. Just relax and we will all get through this together.

What I don't understand is why the Government hasn't banned smoking and vaping. These are huge public health issues. While they are at it I would suggest a mandate on BMI and blood pressure. The public should be healthy and happy; strick oversight is the only way we can do this.
An alcoholic can die without alcohol. They tend to have seizures from alcohol (and benzodiazepine) withdrawal. It's not pretty seeing someone have a 5 minute seizure. The other part? Violation of civil liberties... yep. "It's my right to be 600 pounds and have a blood pressure that is in te 200's over 100's".

I think our normal will be way different :(
 

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It seems a couple of you have clearly missed the sarcastic intent of my last post. The whole point is people should not give the Government the power to impose tyranny. If you want to be a fat smoking alcoholic slob, by all means, go for it. Its supposed to be a free country.

Politicians are now "reshaping" society and implementing a level of control that is disproportional to the "crisis."

There are 330,000,000 of us not affected by this chest cold. When do we get to have a voice? When is it good practice to repeat failed policies of 1918/1919 and rebrand it as protecting the public health? Is it healthy to force 26,000,000 people out of their livelihoods? What happens when the US is no longer the world's largest economy? Who steps in and starts running things?

North of 60,000 people deceased, 169 children have passed and upwards of 30,000,000 people infected (and we stopped counting months ago). Oh, wait, that's just 2019/2020 influenza. And here I thought as a society we had this under control. We have vaccinations and everything (see how sarcasm works in text).

The new normal shouldn't involve large populations actively participating in fear-mongering tactics to push political agendas over an over-exaggerated viral contagion.
 

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2x on a free country, there is a price for freedom, and as said freedom isn't free and IMO a lesser evil than tyranny.
38,000 vehicle deaths last year, 40,000 the year before but driver training or real testing for a license is a joke.
China virus is just the latest sky is falling news item, it's OK to die in a DUI or texting crash or the seasonal flu but God forbid the China flu.
I want to see the suicide numbers from bankrupt folks who have lost everything never mind ignored PTSD vets.
But Gov. Cuomo said just get a essential job if your not working and broke. Yeah real easy for a millionaire politician who never worked a blue collar job in his or for that matter his entire families life's.
Can't find toilet paper, now you know what Socialism's really like. Can't get that surgery done, on the waiting list ? Here's some more meds and be patient. Welcome to a taste of more Socialism.
Look how the pollution has decreased due to the shut down, lets keep it up, Govt. checks will pay for everything and we will tax the millionaires.
It's a pile of crap, you do not move the whole pile at once, it's done a shovel full at a time this way the sheeple don't notice until it's too late. Blind them with brilliance or baffle them with bulls--t. That's how politics works.
PT Barnum was and is spot on, "There's a sucker born every minute".
 

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......Of eight major pandemics that have occurred since the early 1700s, no clear seasonal pattern emerged for most.....

I guess you skipped over page 5. Pick which of the scenarios will prevail; assuming those are the only scenarios to prevail.

I disagree with the assumptions of this paper; that this is a one time and done.

I think COVID-19 will become a seasonal outbreak; in my opinion: Covanorvirus is very common, it causes most of the common colds in this world.

No matter your political affiliation, religious beliefs, or otherwise, there is only one way to defeat an infectious disease. Get sick or die. Period. Sorry, but this is reality.
 

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Oooh, wait................

gas prices in my area are starting to increase. $2.05 for premium, maybe this is the new normal.
 

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No matter your political affiliation, religious beliefs, or otherwise, there is only one way to defeat an infectious disease. Get sick or die. Period. Sorry, but this is reality.

Or develop a vaccine like they did for polio and any number of other pathogens that now are under control without ever getting sick.



Not to mention antibody treatments that now look hopeful for the short term to protect health care workers from getting sick for many months.
 

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No matter your political affiliation, religious beliefs, or otherwise, there is only one way to defeat an infectious disease. Get sick or die. Period. Sorry, but this is reality.
That's reality for statistic geek ! Or some dystopian novel.



Now we are getting into philosophy..... life is not a binary state live or die. what's the point of living... It does not matter if you die now or in 2 years time ...you'll die anyways right ? What's the point of fighting any disease then ?



I do not live as a number of some economic statistician somewhere

I would like to stay as long as possible fight disease or help not catch it.... to spend time my loved ones as long as i can...spend quality time doing things i enjoy even if large part of it involve struggle. A large part of life is the process of living it ...not the goal of it...which is death anyways.
 

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For me it's almost "business as usual" right now. I get up drive to work, the roads have less traffic. I walk into my building and my friend the infection control nurse checks my temp. For awhile, I would go do staff temps but someone else said they'd do it. I don't have to go in as early during the week.

My N95 mask hangs on a bulletin board. I got it about a week and a half ago. "Procured" from another facility. I only get 1 so I only will use it for someone who is symptomatic. My clients used to sit right next to my desk, I put the chair exactly 6 feet away. It had wheels but I took them off and tied it to the floor with some paracord and a fence staple. I see the normal number of people from all over Pennsylvania and Western NY. Addicts still need treatment.

I drive home and if we need stuff I stop at the store. Just 1 time a week. I'm the only one who goes. My wife is going nuts at home but she finished all the drywall in the hallway upstairs and painted it, started doing a laminate floor from flooring we bought last year. I'm glad I'm working but after seeing the news of all these essential businesses having to shut down due to workers getting sick... it's only a matter of time.
Wondering how you and the others here on the forum are doing?

It now shows an "up tick" in COVID-19 cases again in many states since things have gotten lax around Memorial Day or there about.

The U.S. is up to 5.4% fatality rate up from ~ 4.2%.
 
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