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[REDDOG1]

Why not reinvest in the States? We bailed out GM.....

I can't believe after the US tax payer bailed them out and they wouldn't at least try to shift some production to the states! I understand that it is a good plant but, we, the tax payer, should get some of the benefits. They could manufacter the New SRX in the states either?

 

[cheddar11]

Re: Why not reinvest in the States? We bailed out GM.....

I can't believe after the US tax payer bailed them out and they wouldn't at least try to shift some production to the states! I understand that it is a good plant but, we, the tax payer, should get some of the benefits. They could manufacter the New SRX in the states either?

The Canadian and Ontario governments also bailed out GM, although not to nearly the extent of the US. They are reinvesting in their strongest products, not a plant. The products (Nox and Terrain) just happen to be manufactured in Canada. As a shareholder (tax payer), would you rather have them waste $100 mil on a money losing product like the H3 or something that makes you money? The Nox and Terrain make GM money, so that directly effects every US taxpayer.

 

[REDDOG1]

I'm all for them phasing out the H3 or any of the non-profitable models. What have I have a problem with is not using some of the under capacity facilities here in the states. There's not one plant in the US that could use the 100 million to increas e the Nox production? The old Saturn plant is only operating at 24% of capacity? Or the Lansing Delta plant which laid off its second shift due to lack of work? Just a thought.

 

[cheddar11]

I'm all for creating jobs, especially for those in the auto industry, but to shift production of the nox or terrain to an american plant would cost GM 5-10 times as much ($500 mil - $1 bil) or more to upgrade the infrastructure of plants and to train the employees on how to build them. Plants are designed to output certain platforms and when they make a shift to new or a different platform it takes a sizeable investment. GM needs to focus on a handful of strong products to reemerge. A lot of those plants in the states well never see 100% production simply for the fact that GM has shed 4 brands. I wouldn't worry too much as there will be growth and investment in America soon enough.

 

[topgun]

I'm all for creating jobs, especially for those in the auto industry, but to shift production of the nox or terrain to an american plant would cost GM 5-10 times as much ($500 mil - $1 bil) or more to upgrade the infrastructure of plants and to train the employees on how to build them. Plants are designed to output certain platforms and when they make a shift to new or a different platform it takes a sizeable investment. GM needs to focus on a handful of strong products to reemerge. A lot of those plants in the states well never see 100% production simply for the fact that GM has shed 4 brands. I wouldn't worry too much as there will be growth and investment in America soon enough.

I agree. The first thing is to get the much improved New GM cars on the lots and in people's driveways. That is what will help set GM straight and back in high profit mode. That is how they take back market share. Let's face it GM got lazy. They kept on with the big trucks and SUV's and let everything else go blah when they should have been coming out with generous size but super fuel efficient vehicles like my new 2010 nox.

GM can bring plants back on line if all their vehicles are like the new Malibu, Traverse, Camero, Equinox, Cruze and such. But first they have to get a lot of these really good vehicles out on the road winning people back over. I see a time coming when American cars are considered the quality cars again with the foreign competitors playing catch up.

 

[Narg]

Don't forget guys that the assembly of a car is less than 1/2 the jobs and profit. As long as GM is building more, then more U.S. jobs will be saved and added. They will need more engineers, designers, marketers, support, accountants, etc etc. All those are on U.S. soil.

That said, I'd far rather see any production on North American soil, and that includes Canada and Mexico. More production there also helps the U.S. in many ways too. Sure, smaller than if it were in the U.S. but it still helps.

 

[gearhead]

Don't forget guys that the assembly of a car is less than 1/2 the jobs and profit. As long as GM is building more, then more U.S. jobs will be saved and added. They will need more engineers, designers, marketers, support, accountants, etc etc. All those are on U.S. soil.

That said, I'd far rather see any production on North American soil, and that includes Canada and Mexico. More production there also helps the U.S. in many ways too. Sure, smaller than if it were in the U.S. but it still helps.

Good points, Narg.
The engineering, prototype build, initial build, system integration and tuning for the assembly lines, start to finish, is done in the U.S., for the most part.
The equipment is then bought off by GM staff, torn down and reassembled at the target manufacturing plant, in this case, Ingersoll, Ontario.
Then it's time to fire everything up and dial it all in again.
Quite the process and concerted effort of logistics by GM, their staff and suppliers.

 

[Guest]

Re: Why not reinvest in the States? We bailed out GM.....

Quote from: REDDOG1 on January 02, 2010, 04:46:05 PM
I can't believe after the US tax payer bailed them out and they wouldn't at least try to shift some production to the states! I understand that it is a good plant but, we, the tax payer, should get some of the benefits. They could manufacter the New SRX in the states either?

The Canadian and Ontario governments also bailed out GM, although not to nearly the extent of the US. They are reinvesting in their strongest products, not a plant. The products (Nox and Terrain) just happen to be manufactured in Canada. As a shareholder (tax payer), would you rather have them waste $100 mil on a money losing product like the H3 or something that makes you money? The Nox and Terrain make GM money, so that directly effects every US taxpayer.

Actually, I hate to break the news to you but Canada bailed out GM more than the US did, and it's not even our country's company (yes GM is an american company and just as foreign to Canada as Toyota or Honda).... so, we do deserve much more investment to what little assembly plants you have here.

Sure, the US kicked in more total $$$ in the bailout but per capita we paid way more money, almost double the amount to save your sorry ass's. Lets see, 52billion from the US and 9.5 billion from Canada in bailout money. US has 300million people and Canada 30million. If my math is correct that means I wrote a bailout cheque to GM for $316 or $1266 for my family of 4. Your US family of 4 wrote a cheque for $693.

And to add insult to injury you guys only have a measly 3 manuafacturing facilites here but over 45 in the US. Something doesn't add up here?

 

[RIT333]

I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping keep GM afloat, and for your fellow citizens for building such a terrific vehicle. I LOVE my '10 Equinox LTZ ! Hopefully, some of my fellow Americans contributed to the design of this magnificant vehicle.