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Went to the dealer today for a free 30 point inspection. 1200 miles on the odometer. Brought 5 quarts of Penzoil and an AC Delco Filter in case they would change it for me. While at the parts counter, I bought a bottle of touch up paint for any future scratches. I learned how to set the liftgate to any height; not just 3/4 or max. Kept the old oil filter for inspection. Oil was black but filter was in good shape without any metal shavings. Service manager recommended a synthetic blend for the new oil but I asked them to put in the full synthetic oil that I brought. They printed out a spec sheet for all of the torque recommendations. I'm going to need the torque specifications for the oil drain plug and oil filter housing for the next oil change to be performed by myself.

At check out, the bill came to $0 since they gave me a $50 new customer card!!!! A pleasant experience.
 

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The oil change is so easy on the I4, its just not worth it to take it to the dealer.

Still, a free oil change really isnt bad at all!
 

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1200 miles is pretty early for synthetic oil. 3000-5000 miles is the recommended time. It will take your engine alot longer to break in with synthetic vs. regular oil. How is your MPG? mine still sucks so I am going to wait till I hit 5000 miles on the clock before I switch over to synthetic. I have read that these direct injection engines can take up to 10000 miles to break in with regular oil. :mad:
 

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1200 miles is pretty early for synthetic oil. 3000-5000 miles is the recommended time. It will take your engine alot longer to break in with synthetic vs. regular oil. How is your MPG? mine still sucks so I am going to wait till I hit 5000 miles on the clock before I switch over to synthetic. I have read that these direct injection engines can take up to 10000 miles to break in with regular oil. :mad:
The dealership recommended their formulation which is a synthetic blend and cautioned me about using the correct oil. I left with a castrol sticker in the upper left corner of my windshield which states that it is time for your next oil change on 3/18/11 and 4200 miles with the dealership name and addressed affixed. The MPG is improving but still about 25.
 

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Went to the dealer today for a free 30 point inspection. 1200 miles on the odometer. Brought 5 quarts of Penzoil and an AC Delco Filter in case they would change it for me. While at the parts counter, I bought a bottle of touch up paint for any future scratches. I learned how to set the liftgate to any height; not just 3/4 or max. Kept the old oil filter for inspection. Oil was black but filter was in good shape without any metal shavings. Service manager recommended a synthetic blend for the new oil but I asked them to put in the full synthetic oil that I brought. They printed out a spec sheet for all of the torque recommendations. I'm going to need the torque specifications for the oil drain plug and oil filter housing for the next oil change to be performed by myself.

At check out, the bill came to $0 since they gave me a $50 new customer card!!!! A pleasant experience.
Please tell me about setting liftgate height?
 

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Set the lift gate knob on the overhead panel to 3/4. Open the rear liftgate either manually or with the remote and position it to what ever height you want it to open. You can move it manually and it will not cause any damage. Press the button on the liftgate for 3 seconds or remote until you hear a beep and the brake lights flash and it is set. When you want the gate to open all the way, turn the overhead button to full open.
 

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Please tell me about setting liftgate height?
The way the dealer did it for me was very simple.

Set overhead knob to 3/4. Stand outside of car and open with remote. Adjust height with your hand to desired position. Press button on liftgate until lights flash. Close liftgate with same pushbutton. Open liftgate with remote to new set height. That's how the dealer did it and it worked.
 

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1200 miles is pretty early for synthetic oil. 3000-5000 miles is the recommended time. It will take your engine alot longer to break in with synthetic vs. regular oil. How is your MPG? mine still sucks so I am going to wait till I hit 5000 miles on the clock before I switch over to synthetic. I have read that these direct injection engines can take up to 10000 miles to break in with regular oil. :mad:
Just wondering - would you get better mileage switching to syn "early". Is it about diminished friction and wear of moving parts?

MPG has something to do with moving a mass over a given distance with the least amount of resistance. I think the idea is to diminish opposing forces of our power plant to more efficiently produce velocity and acceleration. Don't you agree?
 

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Just wondering - would you get better mileage switching to syn "early". Is it about diminished friction and wear of moving parts?

MPG has something to do with moving a mass over a given distance with the least amount of resistance. I think the idea is to diminish opposing forces of our power plant to more efficiently produce velocity and acceleration. Don't you agree?
Yes I agree with the reduced friction with synthetic oil and better mileage. The thing is it takes the engine longer to break in with synthetic because of that reduced friction. I am doing one more oil change with regular oil at 2800 miles. I will change to synthetic at 5000 miles and see what type of mpg gains I get.
I'll post up around 6000 miles with the results. By the way I just bought 5 Purulator pure one oil filters on Amazon for 5 bucks each and free shipping ;D
 

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Yes I agree with the reduced friction with synthetic oil and better mileage. The thing is it takes the engine longer to break in with synthetic because of that reduced friction. I am doing one more oil change with regular oil at 2800 miles. I will change to synthetic at 5000 miles and see what type of mpg gains I get.
I'll post up around 6000 miles with the results. By the way I just bought 5 Purulator pure one oil filters on Amazon for 5 bucks each and free shipping ;D
Considering that the owners manual recommends a specific break in procedure and does not mention synthetic or regular oil. Dexos is the only recommendation which is supposed to be in the vehicle from day one. I am not confident that your method of waiting to 5000 miles to change to synthetic will produce superior results.

I have been using OEM AC/DELCO filters on sale as well for less than $5 each. I was wondering if the Purolator pure one will achieve superior results to the filter recommended by the manufacturer?
 

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Considering that the owners manual recommends a specific break in procedure and does not mention synthetic or regular oil. Dexos is the only recommendation which is supposed to be in the vehicle from day one. I am not confident that your method of waiting to 5000 miles to change to synthetic will produce superior results.

I have been using OEM AC/DELCO filters for less that $5 each. I was wondering if the Purolator pure one will achieve superior results to the filter recommended by the manufacturer?
I just did my last oil change a few minutes ago with regular oil with 2700 miles on the clock. I will switch to synthetic at 5000 miles and post the results. The Delco filters are OK but I want to remove more junk in the oil so I went with the Purolator Pure One. The media is not paper and it has more pleats and media sq inches. The tester in the article was leary of the filter due to it having so many pleats. There are other articles on the net showing that it does not restrict flow.

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html#acd-pf2


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=116457&Number=1619451
 

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I just did my last oil change a few minutes ago with regular oil with 2700 miles on the clock. I will switch to synthetic at 5000 miles and post the results. The Delco filters are OK but I want to remove more junk in the oil so I went with the Purolator Pure One. The media is not paper and it has more pleats and media sq inches. The tester in the article was leary of the filter due to it having so many pleats. There are other articles on the net showing that it does not restrict flow.

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html#acd-pf2


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=116457&Number=1619451
I think we are supposed to use oil rated dexos1 or better. The AC/Delco filter that you presented is not the same filter recommended by the manufacturer. We are supposed to use PF457G. Are you saying that the purolator one will contribute to better overall vehicle performance?

I don't know if you remember, but i encouraged you to wait when you were on the fence. This used to be a popular thread.
 

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I think we are supposed to use oil rated dexos1 or better. The AC/Delco filter that you presented is not the same filter recommended by the manufacturer. We are supposed to use PF457G. Are you saying that the purolator one will contribute to better overall vehicle performance?

I don't know if you remember, but i encouraged you to wait when you were on the fence. This used to be a popular thread.
The Pure One filter is a far more superior filter then the AC Delco. Better construction, synthetic filter media vs paper and more filter media. Not sure about performance gains but it will clean the oil better than the AC Filter. Heck the Wix filter I took out today was built much better than the AC. I still have to cut that one apart to inspect for shavings and other stuff. I will be going with the Penzoil platnium synthetic oil my next change. It is dexos1 approved and cleans our direct injected engines better than Mobil 1. The next time you go to a auto parts store that sells both filters compare them side to side and you will see and feel the difference. :)
 

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The Pure One filter is a far more superior filter then the AC Delco. Better construction, synthetic filter media vs paper and more filter media. Not sure about performance gains but it will clean the oil better than the AC Filter. Heck the Wix filter I took out today was built much better than the AC. I still have to cut that one apart to inspect for shavings and other stuff. I will be going with the Penzoil platnium synthetic oil my next change. It is dexos1 approved and cleans our direct injected engines better than Mobil 1. The next time you go to a auto parts store that sells both filters compare them side to side and you will see and feel the difference. :)
After inspection of two filters, side by side, I found the Purolator to be more "substantial" in construction and just felt better. I'm not too sure about flow dynamics, pressure drop, and it's effect on overall vehicle performance long term.
 

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There was a guy on the web called the Oil Doctor and did a very comprehensive oil and filter test and examination where he cut open all the filters and compared the components. I will have to go back and see if he's still out there, but the one thing I do remember was that Fram was the absolute worse filter on the market because of the flimsey components and build quality. Their premium filter was a little better, but there are so many better filters on the market. Wix was one of the good filters.
Why do you think Fram filters are so cheap and you can buy them just about anywhere.....grocery and hardware stores for example.
I usually stay away from whatever the dealer recommends. Many years ago Harley dealers said your engine would fall apart if you used syn oil. Now that they've seen how great it is and have their own brand, it's the greatest stiff on earth. ;D

I have used AC filters in the past, but prefer Wix, Amsoil or Purolator. Never Fram or STP.
I prefer the syn filtering media over paper any day.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over using a non Dexos1 oil from a name brand mfg. Hell it sounds like even the dealers service dept. don't even know about Dexos1.
 

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pureone is an awesome filter....

im with GARYD...most of what dealers say is BS...they just want your money...
 

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The OEM filters for the 4 cyl. are made by Hengst. The Hegngst filters have synthetic fibers too. I can not tell myself if one filter is better that the other. I've been mostly using the AC/Delco (Made by Hengst) on my 2000 Saturn LS1 that has Ecotech 2.2 and have had no oil related problems. I like that the AC/Delco does not have the little tabs on the bottom (The AC/Delco has a more solid ring) like some of the filters. The vehilce is used mostly for short trips and has 118,000 miles. I don't think you can compare these filters to the ones tested by people like "Bob the Oil Guy" who tested can filters years ago. I'm not saying that one filter is better than another. You would need a lab to show which media filters best. I do have a PUREone filter that I got at Advance auto with 5 quarts of Castrol Syntec for $17.99 that I will use on a future oil changes.
 

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wbassnp007 said:
After inspection of two filters, side by side, I found the Purolator to be more "substantial" in construction and just felt better. I'm not too sure about flow dynamics, pressure drop, and it's effect on overall vehicle performance long term.
Just be sure to change the Pure One filter every 3000 miles. The oil can stay in longer but that filter works so well that I feel it might become restrictive after 3000 miles of filtering. Heck for $5.00 bucks on line I bought a bunch of them. I can't wait to hit 5000 miles and get syntheric Pennsoil untimate in the Terrain.
 

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RNOX, when it comes to cartridge filters, I don't know beans. Never used one. You would think they'd be real cheap though since there is no cover or relief (bypass)valve. I do love the application of the filter housing up on top of the engine. ;D
 

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RNOX, when it comes to cartridge filters, I don't know beans. Never used one. You would think they'd be real cheap though since there is no cover or relief (bypass)valve. I do love the application of the filter housing up on top of the engine. ;D
I hear ya!!! I can change the filter in less than a minute. I did a oil change last night and the thing that took the longest was waiting for all the old oil to stop dripping out of the oil pan. ;D
 
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