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They are great on dry and wet roads. Quiet and smooth, I will give them that.
 

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Ok.. we got 12 inches of snow on Tuesday.. can confirm that Hanooks are total complete absolute garbage in thick wet heavy snow. Way too slick! But back to my dilemma.. today the roads have been cleared and I have no issues.. do I fork over the money for winters :p
 

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Look at it this way...The snows will probably cost less per tire than the replacement tires that you'll eventually need. So, if the snows are able to displace the wear out of your summer tires, then it is actually the cheaper way to run your tires. But, if you don't agree on that logic...if the snows help you to avoid a Winter accident or provide an extra degree of safety, then it definitely is the way to go.

Just my thoughts !
 
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You are totally right. If you run summers and winters it will extend the rubber for basically the time I keep the vehicle. It makes sense for sure. Just need to scrounge up $1500 for rims/rubber and sensors. Who's in to donate to a gofundme ha!
 

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Don't know what it is with the Hankooks car makers choose for OEM tires. I suppose they go for the EPA mileage along with the best deal they can get from a tire maker.

Had the Hankooks on our daughter's 2014 Sonic she bought new in July of 2014. The first snow of only about 3" and we got a phone call from her all frantic and wigged out. She could barely go around city street corners at 4 mph. And stopping at traffic lights.. . well, she had to keep 7 or 8 car lengths and watch for light changes a city block ahead and start letting off the gas pedal and lightly braking. Even then she said they would start to slide on the slick stuff up closer to the traffic stop.

They are summer tires. Ok in rain and drive pavement. Horrific in any amount of snow or ice.

Go to Tirerack and read up on OEM installed Hankook tire models. Bad reviews of anyone in the snow belt.
 

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So for the Canadian markert Chevy is offering the Nox with a "True North Edition" which has the 19" wheels and of course the Hanooks.... I find it funny that a tire that seems to be noted for crummy snow performance would be part of a unique Canadian edition.. when all it does up here is snow haha!
 

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From "Truck Trends" test report 7-10-17:
We also found the 18-inch wheel/tire combination to have a rougher ride quality than the 19-inch counterpart. Usually bigger wheels mean lower-profile tire sidewalls with less flexibility. This unusual phenomenon is likely due to different tire choices.
Chevrolet is using Michelin Premier LTX tires for the former setup and Hankook Ventus S1 rubber for the latter. Usually, there’s nothing wrong and everything right with Michelin products. But the sidewalls in this application don’t have the right kind of flex to complement the suspension, making the road surface feel rougher than it should. There’s a kind of “nibbling” effect, especially at low and medium speeds. The 19-inch tires from Hankook, however, have the right kind of flex and even out most surface imperfections. It makes us wonder why Chevrolet decided on that Michelin tire in the first place, especially when Ventus S1 tires are available in 18-inch form.

Maybe the above tests gives some reasons they use the Hankooks. However, in addition to being poor in winter, Hankooks cost a lot more than the Michelin Premier and have been reported to wear poorly. Many would also strongly prefer that GM use tires produced in North America instead of importing from China.
 

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You are totally right. If you run summers and winters it will extend the rubber for basically the time I keep the vehicle. It makes sense for sure. Just need to scrounge up $1500 for rims/rubber and sensors. Who's in to donate to a gofundme ha!
When you get the snows, get 17" wheels/tires. They will save you some money, and be better in the snow. I had Michelin X-ice from my '10 which had excellent thread left, and I picked up 4 wheels from TireRack for just over $400. I was able to pick them up in Delaware while visiting daughter, and saved shipping and tax.
 

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From "Truck Trends" test report 7-10-17:
We also found the 18-inch wheel/tire combination to have a rougher ride quality than the 19-inch counterpart. Usually bigger wheels mean lower-profile tire sidewalls with less flexibility. This unusual phenomenon is likely due to different tire choices.
Chevrolet is using Michelin Premier LTX tires for the former setup and Hankook Ventus S1 rubber for the latter. Usually, there’s nothing wrong and everything right with Michelin products. But the sidewalls in this application don’t have the right kind of flex to complement the suspension, making the road surface feel rougher than it should. There’s a kind of “nibbling” effect, especially at low and medium speeds. The 19-inch tires from Hankook, however, have the right kind of flex and even out most surface imperfections. It makes us wonder why Chevrolet decided on that Michelin tire in the first place, especially when Ventus S1 tires are available in 18-inch form.

Maybe the above tests gives some reasons they use the Hankooks. However, in addition to being poor in winter, Hankooks cost a lot more than the Michelin Premier and have been reported to wear poorly. Many would also strongly prefer that GM use tires produced in North America instead of importing from China.
I've always had misgivings about Hankook tires. Glad to know that I'm not the only one. I'll drive cautiously until I've managed to save $$$ to replace them with something more road-worthy!
 

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I have about 80,000 miles on 4 Yokohama Avid Ascend tires. They are pretty bad in the rain and really bad in the snow. When on drive pavement they ride really well and stick really nice.
The center of the tire has a big belt of rubber that has no treads. I assume this is to help reduce rolling resistance. The tread that is on the tires is very non aggressive.
I drive very very carefully on wet and snowy roads. I have to say they have forced me to be better driver ....every cloud has a silver lining.
 

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Don’t know how they perform in ice/snow, my Nox came with Bridgestone Ecopia all seasons.
 

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For those in the SE Michigan/ lower Michigan area will know the last two weeks have been a total SH*T SHOW. Reporting in that the Hankooks are still completely TRASH and nothing short of a death trap. Worst I've experienced on a GM car out of the 7 i've had. Really wish I could lock the car into 2nd or even 3rd gear off the line because there's so much torque with 9 gears, and the pedal is so sensitive. It only knows 'go fast now' so it's a constant surge. At first I thought maybe is was challenge of a turbo motor but it's just bad peddle mapping.
 

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I travel to the mountains and as such there is considerable winter weather to navigate.

That said, I added "Himalaya SUV" winter tires to the Nox last week. My Nox also is AWD. It was timely as that here in the city, we had ice and snow Christmas eve, and the Nox navigated very well with the tires, in both grip for starting and stopping and also turning.
 

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For several decades. I felt that Winter Tires were a waste on money, but after changing my policy, I am very convinced that they are well worth the money. Personally, it is money better spent that getting AWD. The tires are important during all of Winter driving, and AWD only comes into play when starting from a stop - for the most part.
 

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I have Michelin Defender M/S on my 2011. Finally getting some snow. They are doing very well for all season tires.
These have the same tread and is the replacement for the Michelin M/S 2. Had those on the old blazer and loved them.

But if I were to have a do over, I would have put on Michelin IceX3. I would have kept the tires I had which were good for another summer or two.
Then replaced them with Pirelli P4's which are supposed to have a very long life and wet/dry traction. (Snow...not so much)

IceX3 has 40k warranty and by reviews on tire rack, they will likely get that. Only snow tire that has a warranty?

I also buy out of a good local shop that swaps out my wife's Sienna's snow tires for $15 each.
Cheap enough for me to not bother with buying a new set of rims.
 

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For those in the SE Michigan/ lower Michigan area will know the last two weeks have been a total SH*T SHOW. Reporting in that the Hankooks are still completely TRASH and nothing short of a death trap. Worst I've experienced on a GM car out of the 7 i've had. Really wish I could lock the car into 2nd or even 3rd gear off the line because there's so much torque with 9 gears, and the pedal is so sensitive. It only knows 'go fast now' so it's a constant surge. At first I thought maybe is was challenge of a turbo motor but it's just bad peddle mapping.
Check the owners manual for guidance using the "L" position for the transmission versus the "D" position. L allows you to manually select the range of gears that the transmission uses and essentially allows you to manually shift thru the gears. Additionally, it will defeat the "Start/Stop" function.
 

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Check the owners manual for guidance using the "L" position for the transmission versus the "D" position. L allows you to manually select the range of gears that the transmission uses and essentially allows you to manually shift thru the gears. Additionally, it will defeat the "Start/Stop" function.
It too bad that the auto tranny doesn't let you start in 2nd gear, or have a snow-setting.
 

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Agreed. My Mother's '96 Grand Prix had a button on the knee bloster that said "2nd GEAR START" and it actually did help climb a slick hill.
 

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First big snowfall since i lowered mine is due to hit Thursday. Getting some tattoo work done so cant wait to see how it does
 

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Check the owners manual for guidance using the "L" position for the transmission versus the "D" position. L allows you to manually select the range of gears that the transmission uses and essentially allows you to manually shift thru the gears. Additionally, it will defeat the "Start/Stop" function.
Somewhat true, you can indeed hold it back, but as we know range lock just sets the highest possible gear. I've educated people on this since my 2014 Terrain when they all thought it was manual mode. I want to start the car off in 2nd maybe even 3rd in snow to limit the torque and get more of a gradual go given how sensitive the pedal is. I did this on my RWD Sierra I had for 3 years and my 11 Regal that has a manual mode I could set to start in 2nd. So far due to the cold temps start stop disabled itself but indeed a good move to further limit a surge at start up. :)

BTW, after getting nearly stuck on flat pavement and dying twice I put on Toyo celsius CUV tires. It was going to do the well known tried and true Michelin Defender LTX M/S but I I've experienced amazing Toyo tires in the past as these are freaking amazing. Given I have a two year lease I only need them to last until spring 2019 and then the stocker tires go back on.

https://www.toyotires.com/tire/pattern/celsius-cuv-variable-conditions-tire-0
 
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