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It doesn't appear that you do "get it"! You seem to have a problem with those who make their own decisions and aren't willing to sign up for your retoric. Maybe you should share your vast knowledge with us and tell us what you know about the drive system failures associated with this product or are you still blowing smoke as in your other posts. I have nothing to get over and the $139 I spent is really none of your business.
BTW, at my last oil change, I showed the service manager the SS module installation on my diesel and he had no problem with it from a warranty standpoint. In fact he asked for information about it because he's had several customers ask about deleting the feature.
Howard
Actually I do get it, you are an idiot period.As
It doesn't appear that you do "get it"! You seem to have a problem with those who make their own decisions and aren't willing to sign up for your retoric. Maybe you should share your vast knowledge with us and tell us what you know about the drive system failures associated with this product or are you still blowing smoke as in your other posts. I have nothing to get over and the $139 I spent is really none of your business.
BTW, at my last oil change, I showed the service manager the SS module installation on my diesel and he had no problem with it from a warranty standpoint. In fact he asked for information about it because he's had several customers ask about deleting the feature.
Howard
It is not what the modification does, it is the act of modifying the Control Module code. It is a computer just like any other computer, un-authorized software modifications, can have ramifications. As a quick example, lets say that the modification software, disables the STOP request, however does not disable the start request, the computer following its own code, sends a start command to the starter, Since the engine is already running, repeatedly firing the starter again is not a good thing. The starter stops functioning, is it the fault of the modification, or did the starter just go bad? As far as GM is concerned, when they run a diagnostic and see that the computer was repeatedly telling the engine to start when it was already running, and there is a modification, warranty void. Then there are the people that say, Oh well I will flash it back before I take it in. That is all good and well, except that is tracked, and that idea does not work so well when it stops working on the side of the road and the vehicle has to be towed into the shop.OK, not a car guy, so if this question is dumb I apologize. How can something that stops the engine from stopping and restarting void the warranty? Aren't there GM approved situations where the START/STOP feature can be disabled, (maybe not disabled but disengaged) i.e. A/C on high, towing?
No need to play "devils advocate" RIT. I'm certainly not hanging my hat on the service managers comments. He's a friend and I just wanted to share the mod. with him.I'm going to play a little devil's advocate here - While the Service Manager may not have any problem with the SSS, if by chance it does cause an issue, and if there is a footprint someplace that implies that you used this device, it would be up the GM to accept and deny any warranty coverage, NOT the service manager that may be on to a new job, and working for Ford when a failure occurs.
Again, I am just providing some food for thought. I don't have a fire suit, so please don't flame me !
The system would track all input signals, including the hood release. That is how system diagnostics works. With as many factors that can disable the stop/start function, EVERYONE of them will be logged in the system.I was *just* posting about how this device should be “undetectable*, since it is a hardware device and NOT a software mod (which would be easily detectable), but saw *your* post and then deleted mine.
I like how you went so far as to say GM might actually now update their software to detect hood openings! That was funny! And that’s what it would take!
I’m glad you posted what you did. Puts a “stop” to all the nonsense.
So you have just admitted that, it is even EASIER for them to track and void warranties over your product. :clap:Our product plugs inline with the hood latch switch. It is simulates opening the hood for a fraction of a second after the engine is started. The Equinox is FACTORY programmed to disable auto stop for an entire drive cycle any time the hood is opened. This is a safety feature programmed in to avoid a surprise engine start for a mechanic working on the car. We simply take advantage of this feature already built into the vehicle to disable auto stop.
The module does not modify the software in the vehicle, like a tune. It is designed to precisely emulate the correct switch behavior so that no codes are thrown. This has been verified on GM diagnostic equipment.
Special message to RedOntarioNox:
Hi again. I realize I am the snake oil salesman posing as an experienced engineer, so none of the above is to be believed. Or if it is true, since GM has been following the development and release of this product 10 weeks ago from my little company, they had someone posing as a typical owner purchase it. They surely have had their top engineers reverse engineer it by now. Now that they know how it works, they have downloaded an update to their millions of vehicles, so they track how often the hood is opened. They must have also updated their diagnostic software at the dealerships to track this and issued bulletins to service personnel to keep an eye out for excessive hood opennings. Perhaps they set a threshold so anyone opening their hood more than 100 times a month is suspect.
Hah, I am the guy selling this "do nothing product" to unwitting souls, so this can't be true.
Please, with your extensive experience working at a dealership enlighten us again!
Of course it's tracking input signals for *status*. That's how it's telling the driver his hood is open.The system would track all input signals, including the hood release. That is how system diagnostics works. With as many factors that can disable the stop/start function, EVERYONE of them will be logged in the system.
Absolutely with out question, every fail will be logged.Of course it's tracking input signals for *status*. That's how it's telling the driver his hood is open.
But you *know* for a fact that *all signals* are also logged (for diagnostics)?
Thanks for your explaination Steve. This whole discussion is getting to the point that it's almost amusing.Our product plugs inline with the hood latch switch. It is simulates opening the hood for a fraction of a second after the engine is started. The Equinox is FACTORY programmed to disable auto stop for an entire drive cycle any time the hood is opened. This is a safety feature programmed in to avoid a surprise engine start for a mechanic working on the car. We simply take advantage of this feature already built into the vehicle to disable auto stop.
The module does not modify the software in the vehicle, like a tune. It is designed to precisely emulate the correct switch behavior so that no codes are thrown. This has been verified on GM diagnostic equipment.
With time stamp?Absolutely with out question, every fail will be logged.Of course it's tracking input signals for *status*. That's how it's telling the driver his hood is open.
But you *know* for a fact that *all signals* are also logged (for diagnostics)?
Both parties own the warranty. Its as much your responsibility to abide by the warranty as its GM's responsibility to honor it.You own the vehicle not the warranty.
Here in the Sates its not cut and dry. GM has lost most cases to plug in modules. On the other side of the coin they have been very successful at denying clams for not using Dexos certified oils. And rightfully so.In court, it would be your job to prove that it did not cause the issue.
The reason I ask is because the device apparently just flickers the “hood open” signal *once* for the drive cycle. So you go run a bunch of errands and it’s flickered 5 times, let’s say. What exactly is the computer recording? Is it recording 5 instances, or does it only record one, repeatedly over-writing it?With time stamp?Absolutely with out question, every fail will be logged.Of course it's tracking input signals for *status*. That's how it's telling the driver his hood is open.
But you *know* for a fact that *all signals* are also logged (for diagnostics)?
The reason I ask is because the device apparently just flickers the “hood open” signal *once* for the drive cycle. So you go run a bunch of errands and it’s flickered 5 times, let’s say. What exactly is the computer recording? Is it recording 5 instances, or does it only record one, repeatedly over-writing it?
I can believe the computer is logging all *failures* (that’s essentially DTCs), but not all *inputs*. If it logged all inputs, it would likely include *history*, and then we wouldn’t hear the familiar dealership refrain, “I brought it to the dealer and since there was no CEL (or the problem didn’t happen for them), they couldn’t fix it”. Instead, we would hear, “the dealer uploaded my data and was able to replay (and pinpoint) the problem in just a few minutes”.
So *possibly* you have a single “hood-open” event logged somewhere on the computer that doesn’t set the CEL, and can only be seen by a dealership diagnostic machine (and not by a common OBD-2 reader, apparently).
What’s the dealer going to do with this information - suggest you change the hood latch (or its sensor)?
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To the SmartStopStart vendor:
1.) If a split second interruption of the hood latch signal is enough to make the computer disable the STOP/START functionality for an entire drive cycle, the logic must be latching that event. Why then doesn’t the driver get notification that his hood is open?
2.) What if a manufacturer *does* decide to update their software, affecting operation of your device (which they could easily do)? Does your warranty include updates to get it working again?
The remote start button on the key fob remote needs to be pressed very quickly after the door lock button. Some people find it works easier to press them together, and then continue to hold the remote start button until the vehicle starts.I've got the SmartStopStart device in my Premier 2.0T and love the permanent defeat, but I cannot make the remote start work even after hours of it being parked. The sequence I use is to first use the remote to lock the doors, and then push and hold the remote start button, but every time the horn begins honking in the alarm mode. Perhaps I am using the wrong button pushing method?
