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I've been watching the leaked info on the proposed new Cadillac "compact" SUV and now more is starting to be revealed. It looks more like an "XT3" would be based off of the Buick Encore is some ways. No glass behind the C pillar like on the Equinox/Terrain . .. what little they now have. Some say there is conflicting info the the pictures here ARE of a second XT3 smaller CUV more like the Buick Encore. That would make sense since there are also leaked photos of a larger XT4 proto type in testing.

Also, it would make sense since Cadillac is rumored to have said it is sorely lacking in the small SUV and CUV category so perhaps both the XT3 and XT4. Also, the price of the XT3 is rumored to be "starting at about $30,000. I would think and XT4 would be more than that.

The first photo, indeed, looks more like the size of the 2018 Equinox/Terrrain with more length past the C pillar and possibly some concealed glass area. Plus, the wheels look larger than the other two "XT3" photos.

Conflicting info though, on whether is will be called XT3 or XT4.

Here is an article and also more detailed pictures than previously revealed. Looks like it will be about the same size as the 2018 Equinox/Terrain ans also powered by a turbo 4 cylinder engine of yet undisclosed size. I'm guessing more that the 2.0L turbo, or maybe some variation of it.

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/12/06/cadillac-xt3-spy-photos-grille-lighting/#slide-7174863

Cadillac XT4 - - -- -?



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I knew Cadillac was looking into a SMALL CUV like the Encore/Trax didn't know they were looking at a Equinox/Terrain size. They have the mid sized XT5 which is the same size as the Acadia. Would the market support 3 CUVs below the Escalades?
 

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I remembered this thread by JayTee from earlier this year and went back to read it again.
It does look like the smaller XT3 (?) is based off the Encore.
I bought a 2018 Encore last week and the Camo vehicle in the pics is a dead ringer.

The size and location of the door glass, rear spoiler, side mirrors, are all the same.
Even the intercooler that is shown in the front lower grill is exactly the same.
 

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Will be interested in your take on the Encore. We looked at it and the Trax last year. The Encore is a nice compact CUV and is nicely appointed. I then realized that the Encore and Trax are on the same platform as the Chevy Sonic.

When we compared the actual interior space of these, we were surprised that dimensions were virtually the same in most respects, except for overall height. And the Sonic actually had a bit more room in it for rear up seat cargo area, front leg room, rear hip room and a few other dimensions.

When we sat in both, wife liked the Sonic and idea of lower cost and better MPG. I liked the sporty handling of the Sonic as well. Neither the Encore/Trax nor the Sonic will boast performance car aspects, but the Sonic is some 430 lbs lighter with the same engine.
And many parts interchange from Encore to Sonic. Prior to last year, the Sonic did not have the 6-way power seat we have in our 2017, so some owners swapped out seats from the auto recyclers and also bought other bits here and there.
Anyway, it's our retirement little sporty run about.


Below are some specs: - -

Model: 2019 Chevrolet Sonic
Dimensions: 160″ L x 68″ W x 59-60″ H
Cargo volume: 19 ft³, 47.7 ft³ with seat area
MSRP: From $18,020
MPG: Up to 28 city / 37 highway
Curb weight: 2,819 to 2,921 lbs
Horsepower: 138 hp

2019 Buick Encore
Dimensions: 168″ L x 70″ W x 65″ H
Cargo volume: 18.8 ft³, 48.4 ft³ with seat area
MSRP: From $23,200
MPG: Up to 27 city / 33 highway
Curb weight: 3,237 to 3,358 lbs
Horsepower: 138 hp


Chevrolet Sonic
Dimensions

Passenger Capacity: 5
Passenger Volume (cu. ft.): 90.3
Front Head Room (in.): 38.70
Front Leg Room (in.): 41.80
Front Shoulder Room (in.): 53.40
Front Hip Room (in.): 51.40
Second Head Room (in.): 38.10
Second Leg Room (in.): 34.60
Second Shoulder Room (in.): 53.00
Second Hip Room (in.): 51.60
Cargo Volume with Rear Seat Down (cu. ft.): 47.7
Cargo Volume with Rear Seat Up (cu. ft.) : 19.0

Buick Encore / Chevrolet Trax
Dimensions

Passenger Capacity: 5
Passenger Volume (cu. ft.): 92.8
Front Head Room (in.): 39.58
Front Leg Room (in.): 40.82
Front Shoulder Room (in.): 54.18
Front Hip Room (in.): 51.65
Second Head Room (in.): 38.78
Second Leg Room (in.): 35.75
Second Shoulder Room (in.): 52.55
Second Hip Room (in.): 50.08
Cargo Volume to Seat 1 (cu. ft.): 48.40
Cargo Volume to Seat 2 (cu. ft.): 18.80



 

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I read that Cadillac was looking at CUV/SUVs for each size:

Small : Encore, Trax, XT3?
Compact: Equinox, Terrain, XT4?
Mid: Acadia, Blazer, XT5
Full: Enclave, Traverse, XT7?
Large: Tahoe,Suburban, Yukon/Yukon XL, Escalade'

Right now Cadillac is lacking a full sized SUV with 3rd row seating.
 

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I read that Cadillac was looking at CUV/SUVs for each size:

Small : Encore, Trax, XT3?
Compact: Equinox, Terrain, XT4?
Mid: Acadia, Blazer, XT5
Full: Enclave, Traverse, XT7?
Large: Tahoe,Suburban, Yukon/Yukon XL, Escalade'

Right now Cadillac is lacking a full sized SUV with 3rd row seating.

 

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Was looking promising until he showed the high end price, for $55K you can get the next to TOL XT5 unless you feel the XT5 is too large. And he was calling it a compact CUV which would put it in the same size class as the Equinox & Terrain.
 

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I read that Cadillac was looking at CUV/SUVs for each size:

Small : Encore, Trax, XT3?
Compact: Equinox, Terrain, XT4?
Mid: Acadia, Blazer, XT5
Full: Enclave, Traverse, XT7?
Large: Tahoe,Suburban, Yukon/Yukon XL, Escalade'

Right now Cadillac is lacking a full sized SUV with 3rd row seating.
Acadia is the same platform as the Enclave and Traverse. You could also fit Buick's Envision into the compact class
 

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I agree with you about the Envision but the Acadia by virtue of downsizing dropped from the Traverse and Enclave size and whatever silly name Cadillac chooses to come up with. If you are going to be in the Full category then the three sisters, Tahoe, Yukon and Escalade belong in that section and not the Large as they are only the same size as the Traverse and Enclave. I cant see Cadillac really needing a full 3rd row seater when they already have both the Escalade and ESV. It would only cannibalize sales. A lot of sales reps in gm dealerships are really starting to push the Traverse over the Tahoe, in fact you can see some youtube videos of them doing it. They must have a better commission on the Traverse.
 

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Acadia is the same platform as the Enclave and Traverse. You could also fit Buick's Envision into the compact class
The Acadia WAS on the same platform as the Enclave and Traverse. It was downsized in mid year 2016 as a 2017.
 

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The Acadia WAS on the same platform as the Enclave and Traverse. It was downsized in mid year 2016 as a 2017.
Acadia is the same platform as the Enclave and Traverse. You could also fit Buick's Envision into the compact class

Absolutely - - and . . as @scbearsfan knows - - -

. . . . the Acadia has the distinction of being built along side and in the same plant as the Cadillac variants. So high quality and also . . . made in U.S.A. Spring Hill, TN. A great plant with a great workforce. We've visited there 3 times and know several employees.

Acadia flies under the radar. When the incentives are in full force - - - Acadia is a steal of a CUV. It rides on the same sized wheel base (112.5") as the 1st Generation GMC Terrain, but on a wider track and completely different platform since 2017. Previously, it was on the GM Lambda platform (120.9 wheel base ) like Traverse and Buick Enclave but is now up to 700 pounds lighter and very nimble yet has the 3 rows of seats if desired.

The Acadia is not too small . . . and not too large. It's j-u-s-t right. :grin:


 

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Good info. I hadn't realized they downsized the Acadia. Guess that's why one of my coworkers that drove a Traverse and just bought a new Acadia keeps complaining that the new car just seems smaller when she's packing it with her kids. lol. My brother-in-law used to work at the Lansing assembly plant where the Lambda platform was built. He's moved over to Flint truck assembly though.
 

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Good info. I hadn't realized they downsized the Acadia. Guess that's why one of my coworkers that drove a Traverse and just bought a new Acadia keeps complaining that the new car just seems smaller when she's packing it with her kids. lol. My brother-in-law used to work at the Lansing assembly plant where the Lambda platform was built. He's moved over to Flint truck assembly though.
When they first came out you would not believe the posts on the Acadia forum from people who bought one and complained that it was too small. It’s not for everyone
 

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And if some felt the Acadia, Enclave and Traverse was/is too small . . . can't imagine how they would feel about the Equinox, Terrain or Trax/Encore.



On another note. . . I see Chevy will be making a three row seat version of the new Blazer. Not sure what plant will be making that.
 

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You would think that before people bought the Acadia they would have noticed the smaller dimensions and acted accordingly



We did. . . and bought the Acadia because the exterior dimensions were only a bit larger (6" longer) than our 2015 Equinox, rather than 16" longer like the Traverse.
 

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Urbansuburuban, you would think that would be one of the first things you would check out. I use a big wheel walker, the first thing we do open the back end and see if it will fit without too much trouble.
 

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Urbansuburuban, you would think that would be one of the first things you would check out. I use a big wheel walker, the first thing we do open the back end and see if it will fit without too much trouble.
I had to check my Equinox too, because I was coming from a Malibu. I was a bit surprised to find the Equinox 4 inches shorter. Gives me a bit more room, although since I back in, I have to do the whole Matrix thing as the rear gate comes up
 
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