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Re: 2018 Diesel Equinox

Big maybe for me.
I would like a diesel for the fuel mileage.
But I will wait a few years and others be the guinea pig.
If no issues... Heck yeah
Big if though.
 

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I not only would,I did.
I ordered a SLT with 2.0 in July but cancelled the order when I found out the 2.0 needs premium fuel and re-oredered a diesel
But I am still waiting for the Mexicans to build it
 

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What is involved in cleaning the particle filter ? I don't know much about diesels, I always hear about the filters though.
 

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I work in the bus industry, this year we've almost sold more GAS buses than diesel. In my opinion any 2010+ diesel is more trouble than they are worth. Tons of emission related issues, doser valves for the DEF. I would not purchase a diesel.
 

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I like the idea of a diesel and in past years seemed worth the price.

Now, besides the initial cost, it seems the industry is going through growing pains with the additional use of DEF and the software/hardware to make it work reliably. Also, other issues associated with the newer diesel technology and even transmission issues due to the heavier torque loads produced by a diesel. The newer transmissions are smaller and lighter than ever, yet need to be beefier for diesel torque applications. So issues working that out as well.

There seems to be more maintenance issues than ever, at least in reading a few forums I have in the past year or so.
 

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Buy a 2018 Equinox Diesel? You bet!

Been driving a 2004 Jetta TDI for the last 12 years and love the car. The only issue is that it this Canadian climate I have reached the end of my rope for driving in the winter without an AWD. So this spring I started shopping. I've been waiting for the CX 5 Diesel to arrive in Canada, initially expected this fall but now estimating Feb 2018. I researched other AWD SUV's with diesel engines (I excluded pick ups). Jaguar F Pace, out of my price range, as is the BMW, high end Jeep and Mercedes. Eventually I learned of the 2018 Terrain available in Diesel and went to test drive one only to find it was not due to arrive on the lot till mid Nov. Then I learned of the 2018 Equinox and to my excitement a local dealer had one on the lot. I was almost immediately sold on the test drive and initial inspection. The vehicle is awesome, from exterior design to interior luxury to the tech. Price was an issue but with the preferred pricing features I was able to get the price from 40000 and change to 37000 and change. The engine seems to have the bugs worked out since its proven in the Cruze. The mechanical and frame is not as beefy as a VW but I'm banking on it standing up to at least a decade of use. A couple of (yes cosmetic) features I only noticed after I got the vehicle home was the dealer installed black bowtie and attractive black and chrome sideboards but they suit the Satin Steel paint on this Premier trim like sweet on sugar. I swore after my 1990 Sunbird rusted to the ground I would never buy another GM product. They say never say never. Now the test is on over the next ten years, I really hope my decision works out. Cheers to Equinox.
 

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I got the diesel already.. As i have said in another thread...you should read this article to make part of an opinion. https://phys.org/news/2011-06-myths-diesel.html Ok putting DEF at every 5000 miles is an extra cost (~$20 every 5000 miles)...and so far the only extra maintenance i see is the fuel filter has to be replaced quicker than gasoline. The particle filter should work (DPF, read article linked above) the life of the car ..but yes we know there could be issues....more pieces of stuff more failure points. We did buy the extra warranty just because it is a new model...don't know what can fail...but also especially for us the electric window in our last car failed just beyond the normal warranty...so did not want to get caught this time with all the electrical do-da's (including the sunroof) that can fail Anyways in 2 months of driving this...we love it so far...best mpg (got a best 50 mile stretch at 43 mpg) on the highway, quite quiet inside and the engine not noisy when warm. Very safe to accelerate on short highway ramps. Drove it up on a dirt mountain road upto 11000 ft..no issues, loved the hill assist feature.

That said talk to people who have the cruze diesels for a few years they can tell you the issues with this engine...it is the same engine i believe.

Also if you have a good mix of highway and city then diesel is a good fit. if you have only city then the DPF auto cleaning will request you, i believe, to get on the highway once in a while otherwise it can get damaged. If you are a mostly a city commuter only then a hybrid may be the best car.
 

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“That said talk to people who have the cruze diesels for a few years they can tell you the issues with this engine...it is the same engine i believe.” the first generation cruze diesel was a 2.0 clean diesel designed by fiat years ago. they ran really well especially once tuned but when vw got into real troubles with the epa gm decided it was time to quit while they were ahead and stopped production the 2nd generation may be using the same motor as the equinox/terrain i believe they were just released last year and i haven’t seen one yet


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Been driving a 2004 Jetta TDI for the last 12 years and love the car. The only issue is that it this Canadian climate I have reached the end of my rope for driving in the winter without an AWD. So this spring I started shopping. I've been waiting for the CX 5 Diesel to arrive in Canada, initially expected this fall but now estimating Feb 2018...
I'm glad you went with the Nox, I was about to tell you that if you were seriously considering the Mazda because AWD, then do a lot of research if you haven't already. From what I read and saw on youtube at the time they use open diffs all around so one wheel slipping = useless car. The AWD is nothing more than a false sense of security badge and no one will realize it's uselessness on a test drive.
 

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“That said talk to people who have the cruze diesels for a few years they can tell you the issues with this engine...it is the same engine i believe.” the first generation cruze diesel was a 2.0 clean diesel designed by fiat years ago. they ran really well especially once tuned but when vw got into real troubles with the epa gm decided it was time to quit while they were ahead and stopped production the 2nd generation may be using the same motor as the equinox/terrain i believe they were just released last year and i haven’t seen one yet
I just remembered teh 2013 from the wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Medium_Diesel_engine

Thus i stand corrected ..this engine appears in Cruze 2016 model (released in 2017 ? )but the engine has been in production since 2013 and in use in Opels mainly. So people from Germany if any on this forum may have more experience with this engine.
 

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I'm glad you went with the Nox, I was about to tell you that if you were seriously considering the Mazda because AWD, then do a lot of research if you haven't already. From what I read and saw on youtube at the time they use open diffs all around so one wheel slipping = useless car. The AWD is nothing more than a false sense of security badge and no one will realize it's uselessness on a test drive.
Thanks, so any experience on how the Nox AWD handles in the snow? If one wheel starts spinning are you hooped? The owners manual states turn on Traction Control for slippery Road Driving in the Winter Driving section but to turn the traction system off and use the rocking method If the Vehicle is stuck too severely for the traction system to free the vehicle. What is the advantage of turning off the traction control system to get unstuck?
 

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I thought the allure of diesel was the great gas mileage?

But diesel costs a LOT more than 87 octane gas, and you pay a lot more up-front for the same vehicle with a diesel engine, so the question is - when do you start coming out ahead (overall-cost wise), and is it really worth it considering the potential maintenance issues?

I mean - it's the same vehicle, but with a diesel engine and its associated mechanical infrastructure, right?
 

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Price varies from 5c more to 40c more than octane 87 but diesel is cheaper than 93 octane always around where i live. Isn't 93 octane what is recommended in the other nox versions ?
The question about good gas mileage is not just the price but the feel good factor ...ask the volt or hybrid buyers..if it is about saving money. As i posted in a link above these cars are as clean as gasoline engine and even lower C02. We do not want to drive in a car that has the same mpg as one that was in 1970.

Different people have different feel good factors ...some love their car to reach 60 mph in 4 seconds...others want their work horse to have better gas mileage or technology than their parents work horse and still have pull to bolt in front of traffic off a ramp without fear.

This is the best mpg you'll get in this class of vehicle ..beat the rav 4 hybrid by ~10 miles or so per gallon on the highway.

And when Iran and Saudi go to war and the price reaches above $4 per gallon it will pay for itself in a year or two...that will just be the cherry on the cake.
 

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Price varies from 5c more to 40c more than octane 87 but diesel is cheaper than 93 octane always around where i live. Isn't 93 octane what is recommended in the other nox versions ?
The question about good gas mileage is not just the price but the feel good factor ...ask the volt or hybrid buyers..if it is about saving money. As i posted in a link above these cars are as clean as gasoline engine and even lower C02. We do not want to drive in a car that has the same mpg as one that was in 1970.

Different people have different feel good factors ...some love their car to reach 60 mph in 4 seconds...others want their work horse to have better gas mileage or technology than their parents work horse and still have pull to bolt in front of traffic off a ramp without fear.

This is the best mpg you'll get in this class of vehicle ..beat the rav 4 hybrid by ~10 miles or so per gallon on the highway.

And when Iran and Saudi go to war and the price reaches above $4 per gallon it will pay for itself in a year or two...that will just be the cherry on the cake.
It's at least a 30c per gallon price difference here, but I get it - you want the higher mpg and lower emissions, and that's commendable.

But why not go with the hybrid then? Don't you save enough money up-front to offset the mpg difference? And then none of the issues associated with the diesel (especially in cold climates). If there's a war over oil and prices skyrocket, it's going to affect diesel prices too. Even if you switch to another form of diesel, those prices will quickly follow suit.

I've got friends with hybrids and some like to brag about how relatively little they spend on gas. I always say, "but you pre-paid your gas ... to the vehicle manufacturer" (because you always overpay for a hybrid compared to the purchase price of the gas-equivalent model). Last I checked, the break-even point was still well over 100,000 miles.

Eventually, I guess (more than) the majority of us will be driving electric cars, and hopefully we'll have the solar panels to generate our own power to charge these cars because otherwise the Utilities are going to bleed us dry...
 

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But why not go with the hybrid then? Don't you save enough money up-front to offset the mpg difference? .
We did our research :)

Could not find a hybrid SUV in this size that have this gas mileage or better in the US. Living in rural area where every shopping or doctor visit is 100 miles away ...we have may be 60% of the drive at highway speed 55 mph or above. And the only hybrid i saw was the RAV4 ...at those speeds it has 30 to 32 mpg. hybrids do very well in pure city driving.
 

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We are getting 33 City and 37 hwy (up to 41 best) with our 2018 Terrain Diesel. So far we are happy with the new whisper quite engine and over all use.
 

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Yes.

We are getting 33 City / 37 Hwy average with the whisper quite Diesel 2018 Terrain. We reached high of 41 hwy on one trip so far.
 
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