[C00per]

Getting p0017 and p0016 for codes. Cranks but no Start. Had a guy come get it out I thought it was crank shaft sensor. This is what he sent me I was at work hire a mobile tech to come out

"it's out of Timing
By 3degrees
Cam on intake and exhaust did not plausible
The cam sensor is working cause it has spark but sending the wrong signal to the cam sensors"

Is this worth trying to fix or just scrap the car. 160000 miles on it.

 

[Colt Hero]

I've got the same engine, a 2011 Equinox bought brand new, and it currently has almost 182,500 miles on it. No major repairs to date ... in fact, only a Purge Valve/Solenoid ($35) ... (2) Battery replacements, (2) sets of tires, 40+ Oil changes, a handful of Transmission Fluid changes, and (1) full set of brake pads. Tomorrow, I could be seeing the same Codes you're seeing and be staring down a possible Timing Chain repair ... but that's another story.

"Is this worth trying to fix or just scrap the car. 160000 miles on it".

Need more information to make that decision:

1.) Did you buy this vehicle brand new, or pre-owned (and in what year)?
2.) How many miles were on it when you bought it?
3.) What was the purchase price?
4.) Have you had to pay for any "Major Repairs" (Engine and/or Transmission repairs)?
5.) How many miles do you drive every year?
6.) What environment has this vehicle primarily lived in? (e.g.: warmer or colder/snow climate)
7.) Have you looked up the vehicle's value on kbb.com ("Private Sale" and "Trade-In" numbers)?

Keep in mind that the current car-buying market is grossly overpriced (at least, for "new" vehicles). A co-worker just bought a brand new 2023 Nissan Rogue (FWD). Nice-looking vehicle, but it comes with a three Cylinder Turbo Engine! Its MSRP, he said, was $30,000 ... but he paid a five thousand dollar markup on top of that! YIKES!

 

[C00per]

I've got the same engine, a 2011 Equinox bought brand new, and it currently has almost 182,500 miles on it. No major repairs to date ... in fact, only a Purge Valve/Solenoid ($35) ... (2) Battery replacements, (2) sets of tires, 40+ Oil changes, a handful of Transmission Fluid changes, and (1) full set of brake pads. Tomorrow, I could be seeing the same Codes you're seeing and be staring down a possible Timing Chain repair ... but that's another story.

"Is this worth trying to fix or just scrap the car. 160000 miles on it".

Need more information to make that decision:

1.) Did you buy this vehicle brand new, or pre-owned (and in what year)?
I bought it used about 2 years ago.

2.) How many miles were on it when you bought it? I think about 145k

3.) What was the purchase price? 11,000

4.) Have you had to pay for any "Major Repairs" starlink had that fixed

(Engine and/or Transmission repairs)? None


5.) How many miles do you drive every year? Just got a work truck so now it's probably 5,000k

6.) What environment has this vehicle primarily lived in? I live in the Great state of MN. Hot in the summer. Up to -30+ winter.


7.) Have you looked up the vehicle's value on kbb.com ("Private Sale" and "Trade-In" numbers)? 5k trade in. 8k private

Keep in mind that the current car-buying market is grossly overpriced (at least, for "new" vehicles). A co-worker just bought a brand new 2023 Nissan Rogue (FWD). Nice-looking vehicle, but it comes with a three Cylinder Turbo Engine! Its MSRP, he said, was $30,000 ... but he paid a five thousand dollar markup on top of that! YIKES!

 

[C00per]

 

[Colt Hero]

@C00per : "Bank 1" is the Bank with Cylinder #1 ... that's the "Right Bank" (firewall-side) on this engine. The Helm Manual says if both of these codes are present it's a "possible condition with the primary Timing Chain and the alignment between both intermediate sprockets and the crankshaft. Or, the crankshaft reluctor wheel has moved and is no longer referenced to Top Dead Center (TDC)".

Can you open it up yourself to inspect the Chain (more likely) and verify the Reluctor (less likely)?

As far as paying to fix it ... I think I would, if I were you. You're only $11,000 in on it ... the Timing Chain can probably be done by an Independent Mechanic for $1500 ... and you can drive this vehicle over 200,000+ miles ... which is 40,000 more miles, or 4-8 more years (for you). Even at $15,000 invested ... you only need to own it 5+ years to make it a "winner" (IMO)..

So ... assuming the vehicle is otherwise in decent shape (no rusted out undercarriage, for example) ... I'd fix it, drive it over 200,000 miles, get past this bad car-buying market, and start looking for a replacement in 2025.

 

[RIT333]

Colt, I am going to challenge you and co-worker on the engine in the Nissan rogue. My money is on a 4 cylinder.

 

[C00per]

@C00per : "Bank 1" is the Bank with Cylinder #1 ... that's the "Right Bank" (firewall-side) on this engine. The Helm Manual says if both of these codes are present it's a "possible condition with the primary Timing Chain and the alignment between both intermediate sprockets and the crankshaft. Or, the crankshaft reluctor wheel has moved and is no longer referenced to Top Dead Center (TDC)".

Can you open it up yourself to inspect the Chain?

As far as paying to fix it ... I think I would, if I were you. You're only $11,000 in on it ... the Timing Chain can probably be done by an Independent Mechanic for $1500 ... and you can drive this vehicle over 200,000+ miles ... which is 40,000 more miles, or 4-8 more years (for you). Even at $15,000 invested ... you only need to own it 5+ years to make it a "winner"..

I'd fix it, drive it over 200,000 miles, get past this bad car-buying market, and start looking for a replacement in 2025.

 

[C00per]

Yeah I'm going to look up some videos tonight and try to inspect the chain tomorrow. Not a car guy. But at my age I should maybe take some intuitive action on this one. I'm planning on having it towed to a shop this week. Thanks for helping me man! I really appreciate it.

 

[Colt Hero]

@C00per : Might want to search the Internet for a new Head ... just in case you have valve damage, too. Was the Engine running when it failed, or did it just suddenly not start one day in the driveway? If it’s the latter, maybe just the Timing Chain needs replacement.

@RIT333: That Rogue also has a CVT Transmission! So between that turbo’d micro Engine and the rubber band transmission, I wouldn’t feel very good about that vehicle’s longevity before needing a “major mechanical” repair!

 

[RIT333]

Colt - What about the 3 vs 4 cylinder engine ?

 

[Colt Hero]

Colt - What about the 3 vs 4 cylinder engine ?

What about it? That Rogue is 3700 lbs and it has a 3-cylinder Engine. Maybe the engineers would laugh at me, but it seems like they're pushing the envelope a bit too much. But then again ... they just need to clear the standard warranty ... which is 5 years or 60,000 miles. Whoop-di-do!

 

[repairman54]

3 banger with the CVT allows them to let it get ''wound up'' into its powerband to get things moving.

 

[rbarrios]

Friend went to look at a tahoe.
With options and a dealer market markup it was a little over 100k.
He walked out.
I told him to go see the fleet/internet folks at another dealer.
Here they ordered a Tahoe for him. 80k.
I ordered a 2023 traverse on jan 19.
Picked it up on Friday.
7 weeks.
His tahoe and my Traverse were msrp. Theres also $1000 rebate on the 23 traverse.

Also, the underhood heat shield and seat warmers are present.
For a while vehicles were shipping without these.

 

[rbarrios]

The 23 equinox is offering 2.9% interest or $1750 cash *

So stuff seems to be getting back to normal. Just walk away if theres a huge markup.

 

[rbarrios]

I was intrigued by that 3 cly statement. Looked it up.
Yup.. 3 cly it is.
1.5 cly engine with turbo.... and cvt.
Id stay away from that.....

 

[repairman54]

2x That thing only has 300cc more than my snowmobiles. And 60cc more than my Harley.

 

[RIT333]

My bad. A friend has the 2021 Rogue with a 4-cyl. Didn't realize that it changed. Over 200 hp from a 1.5 L 3 cylinder engine is impressive, or depressing for longevity. If they had that technology, the early GTOs would have been put out almost 1000 hp net, compared to the 325 gross hp. Yoozers !

 

[Colt Hero]

@RIT333 : maybe in 2025 they'll come out with a two-cylinder Engine!

 

[RIT333]

My 1 cylinder engine on my snowblower was tossing 15" of very wet snow about 25'. Oh wait, you have forgotten what snow is.

 

[Colt Hero]

My 1 cylinder engine on my snowblower was tossing 15" of very wet snow about 25'. Oh wait, you have forgotten what snow is.

Did you get bombed? Western MA, near the NY border, got 20-24"! My kids are on the eastern side, around Boston. Pretty light over there. Been a very mild winter, snow-wise ...