Re: Re: 2011 Equinox timing chain replacement under warranty
G089372 said:
G089372 said:
Same story. My wife's 2011 Equinox stalled at 71k miles. We are original owners. The engine restarted with codes P016, P228D, and P089. The CEL light and the clanking told me to get it towed to the Dealer. Dealer suspects the timing chain stretch. So far, they have had it for 2 days and not told me anything. Will they replace the chain, fuel pump, and reprogram the ECM module all under warranty?
Update:
Carter Chevrolet has had my '11 Nox for 3 1/2 business days and still has not called me once. This better end happily for me or I will buy a Ford.
Been driving Chevy only for 30 years. I feel crushed.
Update 6/5/15:
Carter Chevrolet and GM have restored my confidence. Got my Nox back today after the timing chain fix:
1) Replaced: Timing Chain, Tensioner, Gasket, Fuel Pump, Pistons, Piston seals, gaskets. There is a full kit for this.
2) Car runs great (only 20 miles so far). Low noise, smooth, like new.
3) Fully covered under warranty. No fuss, no arguing.
4) *****READ********* Service tech says the fix is permanent. You will not have a short-life engine!
I am a happy customer again. It should not have happened but GM and the dealer did the right thing .
I know this post is old and don't want to overshadow current girls gm nightmare but does anyone have the part number for this kit? I am preparing for the day this happens to me and to me this is the real full fix.
In typical GM fashion, I don't think they have made any significant improvements on what is turning out to be a Troublesome
Motor. I have a customer now with a terrain in only the 80,000 mile range and the Timing Chain broke. She maintained it well and we have records from a previous owner as well. This shouldn't be happening, the whole point of a chain is that it typically will last the normal life of an engine and not a third of that. She is now looking at $3,000 plus in repairs!
It Stopped quickly on the Road and fortunately it did not cause an accident. Hello, NHTSA, are these 2.4L's a candidate for a safety
recall? FYI, synthetic oil is turning out to be more of a problem on these newer engines, especially if you don't drive everyday.
It causes dry starts and excessive valve-train wear.
In typical GM fashion, I don't think they have made any significant improvements on what is turning out to be a Troublesome
Motor.
FYI, synthetic oil is turning out to be more of a problem on these newer engines, especially if you don't drive everyday.
It causes dry starts and excessive valve-train wear.
Hello.
Interesting information and introduction for a 'first forum post". Not sure where this information is coming from regarding synthetic oil and the rest of it.
Credibility might be better with more previous posts and some back ground.
But thanks for some food for thought. And, yes, the 2.4L has been troublesome in certain model years. Especially the GDI versions. Our 2009 Saturn with the MPFI 2.4L is still going with 140,000 miles on it. Just oil normal fluid changes and brakes.
I’m thinking a discount on one of those leftover ‘17’s with the risky 2.4L engine would dwarf even a Laura hail damage discount!
Like I said - Opening offer: $10,000 off MSRP. Not out of the question. I saw $8,000+ discounts on leftover 2016 V6’s with MSRPs around $30k ... so not necessarily the outrageous stickers associated with Denalis
This is what I think he is speaking of. Mine was broken from the timing chain slapping the guide. It had only broken the plastic cover off the guide but this is likely to root of the oil burning issue this engine has. Well, more of a cause of metal shavings being created that damage the cylinder walls. I think the root cause is with the timing phasers, timing chain tensioner, high-pressure fuel pump leaking fuel into the engine oil reducing its lubrication, faulty tempering of the timing chain during manufacturing allowing the metal in the timing chain to stretch or all of the above. This explains why gm replaces the timing chain for an oil consumption issue but I don't understand why they don't hone the cylinder walls when replacing the piston rings. My assumption is the new piston rings will only slow the oil consumption as rings are half of the problem but will not magically fix zebra striped scratched to heck cylinder walls that the rings mate against to seal the combustion chamber. Here is a video of the problem that damages the internals of the engine.
Resurrecting an old thread... I'm the OP of this thread.
We moved to a brand new 2015 Equinox with the 2.4 because my wife loved the car so much. It has been a great vehicle up until now. Full synthetic oil changes between 6-8k miles. The OEM Michelin Latitude tires lasted until 95k miles, I only replaced them a little early because winter was arriving. I replaced the spark plugs at 98k miles, and performed two drain and fill services on the transmission at 99k and 102k miles, about to perform a third now that the weather is warming up. I had noticed a little low oil once in a while, at one point at 86k miles it was 2.25 qts low when I drained the oil, and last month I topped off the oil with a quart less than 1,000 miles after an oil change.
Now we are at 116,087 miles and the timing chain rattle is appearing. We are out of warranty. I am going to call GM customer care to see if they will cover this. I feel like dumb for buying a second Equinox and having the same problem. I was under the impression that the timing chain problem has been corrected by the 2015 model year, but here I am again. I'll let you fine folks know how it goes.
Resurrecting an old thread... I'm the OP of this thread.
We moved to a brand new 2015 Equinox with the 2.4 because my wife loved the car so much. It has been a great vehicle up until now. Full synthetic oil changes between 6-8k miles. The OEM Michelin Latitude tires lasted until 95k miles, I only replaced them a little early because winter was arriving. I replaced the spark plugs at 98k miles, and performed two drain and fill services on the transmission at 99k and 102k miles, about to perform a third now that the weather is warming up. I had noticed a little low oil once in a while, at one point at 86k miles it was 2.25 qts low when I drained the oil, and last month I topped off the oil with a quart less than 1,000 miles after an oil change.
Now we are at 116,087 miles and the timing chain rattle is appearing. We are out of warranty. I am going to call GM customer care to see if they will cover this. I feel like dumb for buying a second Equinox and having the same problem. I was under the impression that the timing chain problem has been corrected by the 2015 model year, but here I am again. I'll let you fine folks know how it goes.
Now we are at 116,087 miles and the timing chain rattle is appearing. We are out of warranty. I am going to call GM customer care to see if they will cover this. I feel like dumb for buying a second Equinox and having the same problem. I was under the impression that the timing chain problem has been corrected by the 2015 model year, but here I am again. I'll let you fine folks know how it goes.
I have considered trading it in, but the vehicle is paid off. My wife would love to upgrade to something with heated seats and blind spot monitors. Plus if I buy something used, the car note would not be huge considering the amount I can sell the Equinox for.
I have two paid off vehicles and would prefer not to have another car note, but it's an option. What about paying the repair out of pocket at an independent mechanic? I'm pretty sure the repair is under $2k, in which case I would end up keeping the Equinox long enough that the repair is cheaper than car payments.
Yes, 6-8k is going too long with these 2.4 engines. It's been a fine interval on my Ford 5.4 and Chevy 5.3 with full synthetic oil.
By my metrics, if you have a gross vehicle cost under $2000/year, you're getting your money's worth out of a vehicle. My 2011 Equinox LT (V6) was purchased for $20,700 out-the-door in January of 2011. It just crossed 10 years old last month. No real repair costs so far at almost 160,000 miles ... just fluid changes. But just looking at the gross cost to me ... $20,700/10 = $2070/year ... so I'm right at my tipping point (for getting the value out of the vehicle). kbb.com says I could get $4,000-$6,000 for my Equinox in a Private Sale (using "Very Good" condition), so if I went that route, I'd certainly be under my $2,000/year metric ($16,700/10 = $1670 gross cost per year)! Even with a trade-in ($2k-$3k), I'd be at $1700-$1800 gross cost per year.
So what's this repair going to cost (??) ... $1500 (??), and what's your gross-cost-per-year number right now ... with the repair included?
Just pull the harmonic balancer, Timing cover, Valve cover off and the timing chain can be done from the fender well... it would take a couple days but its totally possible to do it yourself. Going to need a short list of parts and the camshaft phasers have to be pulled but some standard tools only are needed total about 300 would even get you balance shaft chain and water pump. You don't need to pull the motor. Even at 3k oil changes the acdelco timing chain would only last less than 200k give or take. Timing chain noise doesnt nescisarrily mean the whole chain is bad either.... it could be a number of things like guides, tensioner, balance shaft chain, phasers oil pump list goes on.
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