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« on: March 09, 2011, 01:18:32 PM »

I went to wallmart. I know that was the first mistake. Told them I need an oil change just the basic no problem. Then Rey asked the model and year. After I told him it was a 2011 gmc he told me that they can't do the basic oil change on any 2011 GM vehicles. But they could do the $60.00 oil change. Rather than $30.00 . I left and went to a dealer near by they said no problem $19.95 but I have to make an appointment. And that's what I did so I guess the moral is don't go to wallmart.
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 01:38:05 PM »

Did they say why? Is it possible that WalMart would only use Dexos approved (synthetic) oil? Is it possible that they would even know? Other than the fill cap of course.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2011, 03:28:55 PM »

In this case, I believe Wally World was probably correct. I believe the 2011 cars require synthetic oil.
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2011, 03:49:29 PM »

In this case, I believe Wally World was probably correct. I believe the 2011 cars require synthetic oil.

I agree. 2011 models have to use Dexos approved oil to keep the warranty intact. It's in the owners manual.

Synthetic oils meet that spec. Wal Mart did the right thing.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 08:30:11 AM »

What's the estimated mileage for needing an oil change on the new 2011 miles?
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2011, 08:39:35 AM »

The DIC will show current oil life.  The 3000 mile between oil change intervals is gone.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2011, 09:09:38 AM »

But do we have an estimate for when the DIC will reach "oil change needed". 10,000 miles like most synthetic vehicles?
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2011, 09:41:33 AM »

But do we have an estimate for when the DIC will reach "oil change needed". 10,000 miles like most synthetic vehicles?

My understanding is that the Oil Monitor thinks the oil is regular oil so if you put in Synthetic it will will think you are using the normal stuff. It is based on how hard the engine works using the oil once you reset it so if you do a lot of highway driving you will get more miles out of your oil.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2011, 06:11:49 AM »

I went to the dealership and got my oil change in my 2011 Terrain. It only cost $29.95 for dexos synthetic. I could not believe the price, but this is all I paid.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2011, 07:16:29 AM »

Boy, do you have a rabbits foot you know where!  LOL

Maybe they put dino oil in BUT said it was syn.  Roll Eyes

Can you take other cars in for the same deal?
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2011, 08:00:28 AM »

May not actually be an unusual price...from GM Tech Link...see the bulk container size of 55gal


ACDelco Synthetic Blend dexos1™ engine oil is available to dealerships through the GM Oil Program. ACDelco Synthetic Blend dexos1 engine oil is currently available to U.S. dealerships in 55-gallon drums. In addition, quart size packaged product will be available in December 2010. In Canada, 205-liter drums will be available by November and a 1 liter package size will be available in December 2010.

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5W30
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 19293000 (U.S.)
 
5W30
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 19293001 (U.S)
 
5W30
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 19286321 (Canada)
 
5W30
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 19286323 (Canada)
 
dexos1 products will be offered under the ACDelco Brand only. Packaged oil under the Goodwrench brand will be phased out and converted to the ACDelco brand over the coming months
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2011, 11:28:25 AM »

But do we have an estimate for when the DIC will reach "oil change needed". 10,000 miles like most synthetic vehicles?

While there is no given mileage as to when to change the oil (that would vary from vehicle to vehicle) the DIC shows a percentage that countdowns from 100%. You can use that as a guide. Also, at some point the DIC will display "Change Oil Soon".

Another point is that the oil life monitor doesn't know the difference between dino oil or synthetic so you could let the percentage  go lower with synthetic if desired. Once you decide to change the oil you could record the mileage to give you a general idea of how many miles you can go before it needs to be changed.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2011, 12:32:26 PM »

MOCHANOX, maybe you're right, but I can't, in my wildest imagination, believe a dealer will be cheaper then a 3rd party facility.  Grin

Black granite, I think it's safe to say if you change the oil twice a year(average yearly milage being 12K) you would be OK. I remember changing at least 4 times a year back in the 50s/60s. You can probably go longer then 6k-7k, but I'm more comfortable with my schedule. Oil is the best and cheapest service you can do for your car/bike.
I change twice a year (it's easier for me to remember those dates). Now that I have a DI engine and people are saying how bad that engine is on oil, I'm going to send samples off to a lab like I do with my Harley oil. It's only $25 which includes postage. Great piece of mind.
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2011, 02:10:24 PM »

From GM Tech Link regarding the OLM and Dexos oil

"Increased Service Intervals

To help reduce the consumption of oil while maintaining proper engine protection, many GM vehicles equipped with the GM EOLS have a maximum oil change interval that is much longer than what was considered a normal interval just a few years ago.

If all GM vehicle owners would follow the EOLS intervals in their vehicles as intended, GM estimates that more than 100 million gallons of oil could be saved annually.

The second generation EOLS will rely on significantly more engine operating information than the current system, which, combined with dexos approved oil, could allow a significant extension of the maximum oil change interval. dexos specifications call for improved oil robustness to support extended drain intervals over a vehicle's lifetime."

 

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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2011, 08:14:25 AM »

Now I got a question, I know the 4cyl. "requires" synthetic, but does that go for the 6 cyl as well? I'm planning on using synthetic, but was just wondering

Also, do the cars come with blended? IMO full synthetic is the way to go, but wasn't sure because my dealer told me it was synthetic, but have been reading it's synthetic blend.


And referring to the Wally World comments
I've only used Synthetic, and honestly, I go to Walmart for every oil change because there $55 oil change is worth it. They don't give me garbage oil (I ask for Mobil 1) which is a personal favorite, and they don't use that nasty bin oil, I ask for bottles every time and they always take care of me.

I've never used the ACDelco stuff that's in the cars, been using Mobil 1 on all my vehicles
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2011, 08:28:48 AM »

Now I got a question, I know the 4cyl. "requires" synthetic, but does that go for the 6 cyl as well? I'm planning on using synthetic, but was just wondering

"Yes" feel free to use a synthetic blend or 100% syn.

Also, do the cars come with blended? Yes
IMO full synthetic is the way to go, but wasn't sure because my dealer told me it was synthetic, but have been reading it's synthetic blend. More often than not, dealer front end staff won't be right up on the correct terms. Synthetic to them could be either the blend or 100% syn.


And referring to the Wally World comments
I've only used Synthetic, and honestly, I go to Walmart for every oil change because there $55 oil change is worth it. They don't give me garbage oil (I ask for Mobil 1) which is a personal favorite, and they don't use that nasty bin oil, I ask for bottles every time and they always take care of me.

Nothing wrong with Mobil1, we used to use it religiously but over the last few years have opted for AmsOil Euro blend

I've never used the ACDelco stuff that's in the cars, been using Mobil 1 on all my vehicles

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2011, 08:49:40 AM »

+1 for Amsoil. Likewise I also used Mobil 1 many years ago in my Harley until they took out the zinc and phosphorous, which Harley air cooled engines needed. From what I've read on this forum there are a few people that say Mobil 1 is not very good for the DI engine.
I was not aware that any car was "required" to use syn. I know a few cars ship from the factory with full syn in them ..... Corvette and Viper for example. I think any type oil (correct viscosity)would be fine if it was changed per recommended intervals. My opinion is syn is better overall then dino. I know many dyed-in-the-wool car and bike owners that will never use syn no matter what.  Grin
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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2011, 05:24:51 PM »

I agree. 2011 models have to use Dexos approved oil to keep the warranty intact. It's in the owners manual.

Synthetic oils meet that spec. Wal Mart did the right thing.


Just had my 12K km service at the GM dealer yesterday for my 2011 SLE-2 Terrain with the 4-cylinder. The service advisor said mine required the Dexos half-synthetic blend, which is more expensive but doubles the mileage between service intervals, so it works out to costing the same as changing the oil at 5-6K intervals with dino oil. Also said that because it's a half-synthetic blend it resists breaking down more than dino oil, obviously. Service cost about $90 CDN, which seems expensive for an oil change/tire rotation but when you consider it's to maintain the warranty for a $40K vehicle and only needs to be done every 12K...  Undecided
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2011, 06:12:06 PM »

Dealer near me sent out a flyer for $39.99 and you get a $10 debit card.  Says oil used will be what is required for the vehicle.
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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2011, 08:14:09 PM »


The service advisor said mine required the Dexos half-synthetic blend...

Just curious - is Dexos really 50% synthetic, or just a "blend" that no-one knows the actually percentage?  Jsut curious, because I "make" my own synthetic blend with 1 qt synthetic and the rest dyno at each oil change.  Wonder if I should be changing my mix.

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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2011, 04:53:49 AM »

First, Dexos is not a oil, it's an oil specification. There are both blends and full syns that meet the specs.

Why would anyone mix there own oil with all the options available off the shelf?
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2011, 06:38:48 AM »

Why would anyone mix there own oil with all the options available off the shelf?

I am a "Doubting Thomas".  I felt that a Synthetic Blend could be anywheres from 1% Synthetic to 99% Synthetic and still be labeled as synthetic blend - and they don't tell you the percentage.  When I mix it myself, I know the percentage.  I guess I worked in marketing for too long and I know how companies will stretch the truth and lead the customer to believe something that isn't quite true.

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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2011, 07:09:21 AM »

Rit333, I understand your concern about service/parts personnel telling you something. I am the same way. That's why I do all my own oil changes. Why do you use a blend instead of full syn? How much cheaper is the difference? Full syn will let you go even longer between changes.
Personnally I prefer the full syn. I just can't bring myself to mix oils.
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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2011, 10:05:09 PM »


From General Motors:


licensed GM dexos™ products
Specifically designed to meet the needs of GM gasoline engines, dexos1™:
has improved viscometric properties, creating less friction in the engine which contributes to improved fuel economy.
resists aeration, which enables fuel-saving devices, such as Variable Valve Timing, to work optimally
offers improved oxidation and deposit-forming tendencies allowing emission systems to operate longer and optimally
resists degradation between oil changes, extending the time and mileage interval between oil changes
 
Look on the front label for any of the logos shown above to identify an authorized, licensed dexos1™ engine oil.

Specifically designed to meet the needs of GM diesel engines*, dexos2™:
protects diesel engines from harmful soot deposits
is designed with limits on certain chemical components to prolong catalyst life and protect expensive emission reduction systems
is a robust oil, resisting degradation between oil changes and maintaining optimum performance longer
 
dexos2™ is also the recommended service fill oil for European gasoline engines.

*  Duramax is the exception and requires lubricants meeting CJ-4.

Look on the front label for any of the logos shown above to identify an authorized, licensed dexos2™ engine oil.

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 ACDelco dexos1™ SAE 5W-30  General Motors  dexos1  5W-30  GB1A0916015  Global
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 GM Motor Oil dexos2™, SAE
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 Advantage  Advanced Lubrication Specialties  dexos1  5W-30  RB1A1203030  N. America
 Altra SHL dexos1™ 5W-30  Allegheny  dexos1  5W-30  RB1A1008018  N. America
 Ardeca Syn-Tec DX 5w30  Vroman NV  dexos2  5W-30  RR1A1201029  Europe
 CAM2 dexos1 Full Synthetic 5W-30  CAM2  dexos1  5W-30  RB1A1008019  N. America
 CAM2 dexos1 Full Synthetic 5W-30  CAM2  dexos1  5W-30  RR1A1122028  N. America
 Champion Syntolube GSB 5W30  Wolf  dexos2  5W-30  RB2A0308012  Europe
 Coastal  Warren Oil Co.  dexos1  5W-30  RB1A1130028  N. America
 Feu Vert dexos2™ 5W-30  Feu Vert  dexos2  5W-30  GB2A0107011  Europe
 GulfTEC dexos1™ Synthetic 5W-30  Gulf Oil Limited Partnership  dexos1  5W-30  RR1B0110035 N. America - Continental US only
 HELLA dexos1™ 5W-30  Raloy Lubricantes, S.A. de C.V.  dexos1  5W-30  RB1A1129027  N. America
 IGOL Profive Emeraude 5W30  Cipelia SAS  dexos2  5W-30  RB2A1008017  Europe
 KRΦNEN ENERGY SAE 5W-30  Raloy Lubricantes, S.A. de C.V.  dexos1  5W-30  RB1A1129027  N. America
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 Liqui Moly Top Tec 4600  Liqui-Moly  dexos2  5W-30  RB2B0107031  Europe
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 MAG 1  Warren Distribution  dexos1  5W-30  RB1A1104025  N. America
 Maxtron PCMO  CHS Inc.  dexos1  5W-30  RB1B0103033  N. America
 megol Motorenoel Efficiency  Meguin  dexos2  5W-30  RB2B0107031  Europe
 Mobil 1 5W-30  ExxonMobil  dexos1  5W-30  GB1A0915015  Global
 Mobil 1 ESP 0W-40  ExxonMobil  dexos2  0W-40  GB1A0917015  Global
 Mobil Super 3000 Formula G 5W-30  ExxonMobil  dexos2  5W-30  GB2B0131015  Global
 Mobil Super 3000 XE 5W-30  ExxonMobil  dexos2  5W-30  GB1A0914015  Global
 MOL Dynamic Gold 5W-30  MOL  dexos2  5W-30  RB2B0107030   Europe
 MOTUL Specific Dexos 2 5W-30  Motul  dexos2  5W-30  GB2A0107011  Global
 NATIONAL  Pinnacle Oil  dexos1   5W-30  RB1A1214031  N. America
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 PO MAXIMA GA 5W-30  Petrol Ofisi (POAS)  dexos2  5W-30  GBBA0323013  Global
 Quaker State Ultimate Durability Full Synthetic  Shell  dexos1  5W-30  GB1A0702014  Global
 SERVICE PRO FULL SYN dexos1 5W-30  Association of Independent Oil Distributors (AIOD)  dexos1  5W-30  RR1B0107032  N. America
 SERVICE PRO FULL SYN dexos1 5W-30  Association of Independent Oil Distributors (AIOD)  dexos1  5W-30  RR1B0110032  N. America
 Sinopec Polar Star IV  Sinopec  dexos1  5W-30  RB1A1101021  Asia
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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2011, 06:09:51 AM »

Why do you use a blend instead of full syn? How much cheaper is the difference? Full syn will let you go even longer between changes.
Personnally I prefer the full syn. I just can't bring myself to mix oils.

I have an "inventory" of dino oil on hand that I am trying to "get rid of".  When that is gone, I will probably go with full syn.  I tend to stock up on items when they are on sale.  Quite frankly, I've been using dino for decades, and have NEVER had a lubrication-related issue on any of my cars.  I tend to over-maintain my vehicles.  I find it is less costly in the long run.
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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2011, 07:14:56 AM »

After 3500 miles, I changed the original factory fill oil and used a PF457G oil filter and 5 qt of Mobil 1 5w-30 full syn Dexos1 approved. All is well.
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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2011, 10:26:01 AM »

Rit333, you are 100% right. I also use to stock up on oil/filters when they went on sale. Whatever oil I had left, went in my lawn mower, snowblower, chainsaw etc.
I remember waaaay back, I bought 3 cases of oil at Sears when it went on sale for 25 cents a quart.
Now I use Amsoil.  It never goes on sale, but I buy at dealer cost so that's not a problem and the warehouse is just down the street.
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